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  1. charity
    April 6, 2006 @ 12:00 am

    Aaarrrgghhh!  Where to start?

     

    Okay first, thanks for posting this.  It is so awesome that you guys get out to all these meetings and keep the rest of us informed.

     

    He says, “Our challenges as a city are in childcare and healthcare.  While Burlington cannot do it alone, the city needs to be more aggressive towards coming up with a solution for the healthcare crisis.”  But then when asked about potholes, he offers this lame cop-out: Kiss stated if he could fill every hole tomorrow he would.

     

    News flash, Mayor Kiss – it’s the Mayor’s job to fill the damn potholes!  Here’s a solution to make sure everyone has healthcare: the state government already offers health insurance to anyone earning less than 185% of the poverty level (and much higher for children), most jobs that pay more than that offer health insurance, and there is a clinic on Riverside Ave that offers a sliding-fee scale for those without insurance.  Healthcare problem solved.  Now get to work on those potholes!

     

    The other thing that irks me is his micro-management of what businesses the city will support.  This is the second time this week he has referred to the city helping to grow small businesses.  How about the city stops trying to control the business community and let it grow itself?

     

    And his solution to the housing crisis is the Burlington Community Land Trust?  Oy vey!  I can’t write any more because I am giving myself a headache just thinking about it.

     

    I am going to go flog myself for giving him my second place vote.  WHAT THE HELL WAS I THINKING?!?!?!?

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  2. Jeremy Ryan
    April 6, 2006 @ 12:00 am

    Yes, I too had a lot of concerns about things he said. It certainly sounds to me that he wants bigger government. More government control and/or influence over housing and business. When the opposite is what’s needed for both to thrive. Taxation and regulation needs to be reduced for housing to flourish and be affordable. While lessoning zoning density requirements is much needed, his bigger government mentality will most likely scare away future business development and housing creation. The Burlington government needs to stick to things such as police, fire, public works and road (the potholes) and let the market handle the rest.

     

    One thing that is commendable, is his honesty. He could of came into the meeting and told everyone what they wanted to hear. He most likely knew that the BBA opposed the local option sales tax, but he still praised it and stressed his strong support for it as well as other alternative taxes.

     

    However, it’s scary to think that Kiss and his administration will be spending their time thinking up new ways to increase taxes and funding rather than reducing the costs associated with the city budget. How can Burlington ever be more affordable while taxation and government interference are always increasing?

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  3. Heavenly Ryan
    April 6, 2006 @ 12:00 am

    Hey guys,

    Just thought I’d mention that Bob repeatedly defined his view of the government as ‘good government’.

    Also, I’ve made a personal observations of the meeting at my blog, which you can visit by clicking on my name.

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  4. 3PO
    April 6, 2006 @ 12:00 am

    Burlington’s population: July 2004: 38,934

    <i>Currently the city is short 21,000 rental and 12,000 home purchase opportunities.</i>

    I’m confused.  I’m assuming a population of 38,934 includes students some of whom are housed on-campus and that of the 38,934 individuals some of these are part of households.

    Affordable housing is a problem but how are they arriving at this statistic. 

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  5. 3po
    April 6, 2006 @ 12:00 am

    Sorry about the italizing. (Not sure how to undo </i>)

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  6. n/a
    April 6, 2006 @ 12:00 am

    Interesting. Your post starts out saying how answers to Q&A are “my account of his speech and Q/A”, yet that first person who posted treats your comments as quotes then has an e-tantrum.

    Maybe you can help me out with some questions I have after reading the original post:

    1) When you say, “It certainly sounds to me that he wants bigger government,” it makes me wonder: who WOULDN’T you say this about? You’re a Libertarian.
    2) How long did the meeting last (not including the 10-minute delay)?
    3) Were there really only 10 questions asked?
    4) Anticipating an hour-long meeting and the brief responses to only 10 questions, the time just doesn’t add up. What else did Bob say?
    5) Did you go in with an agenda so as to report only the responses you didn’t like? Guess it’s your prerogative since it’s your blog, but unbiased it is not.
    6) Your premise appears to be that Bob Kiss believes in bigger government. Is this your forecast for Burlington’s new mayor? If so, I’m curious to know if you forecasted the opposite (smaller govt) when Bush was elected in 2000. Just looking for a track record here….

    Thanks.

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  7. n/a
    April 6, 2006 @ 12:00 am

    Nice to know the health care problem is solved.  Thanks, Charity.  Wouldn’t you be happier if they changed the ridiculous non-system so that so much of your precious money didn’t go to some insurance company?  You think the insurance industry is trickling down a bunch of jobs.  No, I have a feeling the money only makes more money for them.  People in Burlington will be better off with Mayor Kiss.  The majority of them will be very happy and there will be a few of them that are sore because they have to pay some frigging taxes.  You’ll live.

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  8. Jeremy Ryan
    April 6, 2006 @ 12:00 am

    Regarding the housing need stats… I’m not sure how Kiss got these numbers, it was not explained. I just talked with my wife, who also attended, and it’s possible he may have been referring to Vermont needs.

     

    The speech and the Q/A did not take the whole hour. There were introductions by Nancy Wood and Tim Halverson, brief business talk and a customer service award honoring Kiss the Cook, which was presented by Kiss. Yes, I’m a Libertarian and I do look at things I see through the eyes of a Libertarian. However, the initial post was reported as I heard it and as fast I could write while questions were being asked and answered so I wrote down the best points being made, but I did include every question and the main points of his answers to each question.

     

    At this point, I do believe that Kiss will be for bigger government in most cases as it appears that he really believes that more government would solve our city’s problems and create a better quality of life for its citizens.

     

    No, I did not forecast a smaller government under Bush’s rule and I didn’t vote for Bush either.

     

    I appreciate everyone who’s reading the posts and a big thanks to you all for participating!

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  9. charity
    April 6, 2006 @ 12:00 am

    Wouldn’t you be happier if they changed the ridiculous non-system so that so much of your precious money didn’t go to some insurance company?”

     

    Let’s see.  In 2003, I had a baby.  I paid a total of $15 out-of-pocket for everything, including monthly pre-natal visits, the delivery (including pain medication), and an extended three-day hospital stay.  If you factor in the cost of insurance, which was used for other things as well, it was still less than $4,000. (I can’t remember off the top of my head exactly what I was paying then.)  Sounds like a darn good deal.

     

    In 2001, I was paying $60/month for insurance for me and my two kids.  I started getting migraines.  I went to the doctor weekly for two months and saw three specialists.  I also had an MRI.  Granted, I had a $15 co-pay for many of the doctor visits, but still a darn good deal.

     

    Go to a hospital some time and just walk the halls and look at all of the technology.  How do you think that gets paid for? 

     

    Health insurance is a great investment.  I have no problem paying for it.  If the people providing it are making a profit, good for them.  It’s a win-win for consumer and supplier.

     

    I would much rather have our current “non-system” then have to wait an average of 6-9 months for an MRI like they do in Canada.  I got mine within a few days of the doctor ordering it.

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  10. n/a
    April 6, 2006 @ 12:00 am

    You’re a lucky, lucky girl.

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  11. n/a
    April 7, 2006 @ 12:00 am

    Just looking for a track record here”
    “You’re a lucky, lucky girl.”

    I agree that context, or a “track record,” helps to frame a poster’s comments if it’s offered. If you think she’s “lucky” because she and her husband made sure they had health insurance before having a child, then we certainly have yours. *plonk*

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  12. n/a
    April 7, 2006 @ 12:00 am

    They’re pretty damn lucky they can afford it.

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  13. n/a
    April 7, 2006 @ 12:00 am

    You can’t afford $75/month for state-subsidized health insurance? You honestly can’t muster all of your resources and find a way to earn an extra $75? Might be time to look at priorities. Your rent’s going up more than that with the next property tax increase anyway.

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  14. Tirade25
    April 17, 2006 @ 12:00 am

    They’re pretty damn lucky they can afford it. 

    Wha’?!!  Health insurance for $75 isn’t something reserved for a lucky few.  75$ is a small price to pay to insure a family and people should budget accordingly. 

    Honestly, people could save well over 75$ a month by cutting coupons and buying groceries in bulk at hannaford (none of this overpriced co-op garbage in fancy organic packaging).  They could also save seventy five dollars by not eating dinner out (two meals a month (out) for a family of four is at least 75$).  There are so many ways to cut out excess spending – you’d be an idiot not to try.  There’s no excuse to not pay for coverage as cheap as that.  There’s no excuse not to pay for coverage period.  If people have kids, they have to be responsible and suck it up.  Luck has nothing to do with it.

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